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Uniform civil code
20th Sep 1999 Ryan Cardoz @pcsbom.patni.com
What is this uniform civil code the BJP wants to impliment. Ryan .
20th Sep 1999
Shashikiran Vaze @bom3.vsnl.net.in
Dear Ryan, A Civil Code that will have same uniform irrespective of caste, creed and religion and that what BJP means Uniform Civil Code. So do not worry, it will be in the interest of everybody. With warm regards. SHASHIKIRAN VAZE - Vastu Consultant [email protected] website: http://www.myfreeoffice.com/vastushastra
21st Sep 1999
Niel Hirjee @cal.indiax.com
Dear Shashikaran Vaze, The issue is obviously not as simple as that. If it were so, dont you think this would have been implemented long ago? In a country as diverse as India, it is very difficult to adopt a law which is acceptable to all cleavage and this issue is sure to ruffle more than a few feather. Thank you! Regards, Niel Hirjee -- Calport Technologies Phone: +91 33 475-5884 3 Dover Road, Fax: +91 33 476-3021 Calcutta 700 019 Email: [email protected] India http://www.indiax.com/cal
22nd Sep 1999
Shashikiran Vaze @bom3.vsnl.net.in
Dear Niel Hirjee, I agree with you that the issue is not as simple as that I had mentioned. My purpose for mentioning in that fashion is in a way that let us not talk of Uniform Civil Code at this hour taking in to consideration the circumstances the country is passing through. However, at appropriate time Strong full-fledged Government at the centre will take decision in this respect. So please have patience. Let us even not touch Ayodhya, Kanshi and Mathura at this juncture. I even wrote strong letter to Mr Rajjubhayyaji for his utterances. With warm regards. SHASHIKIRAN VAZE - Vastu Consultant [email protected] website: http://www.myfreeoffice.com/vastushastra
22nd Sep 1999
Dhruv Moondhra @bom7.vsnl.net.in
Hi! I just wanted to contribute my thoughts on the Uniform Civil Code discussion we have been having. I agree that the Unoform Civil Code can not be implemented easily. For instance, today, Sikhs are allowed to carry weapons on their person because it forms part of the tenets of their beliefs in a uniform civil code, that would have to be denied do u think they will agree? Muslims are allowed more than one wife others are not to thm this is divine law, above human law so what do you implement? and there are scores of other similiar examples e.g. ganapati visarjan in mumbai causes havoc with regular life does an edict ban these, or allow other groups also to take out processions effectively bringing life to a stand still throughout the year Ours is a diverse nation, and the strength is in accepting these diversities and forging common futures disrespecting differences in the name of uniformity will definitely have its repercussions i do not see the need for it and only see a design by a party attempting to play to the passions of a majority who feel that the minorities have some extra privileges which they themselves don't regards dhruv
23rd Sep 1999
Niel Hirjee @cal.indiax.com
Shashikaran Vaze, > I agree with you that the issue is not as simple as that I had > mentioned. Ok, are you saying that the issue is not as simple as you had previously stated it to be? Then why did you attempt to over-simplify an issue which you know is not a simple one? > My purpose for mentioning in that fashion is in a way that let us not > talk of Uniform Civil Code at this hour taking in to consideration the > circumstances the country is passing through. That approach would have worked very well with my four year old son. I doubt if it would have the same result with the members of this list. Moreover, all the politicians are talking about it all the time on all the channels, so why prevent the members of this poor little list from joining in? > However, at appropriate time Strong full-fledged Government at the > centre will take decision in this respect. So please have patience. Cool - I am quoting below a few lines of your earlier message to the list on this subject. I leave it to the members of the list to decide if your message attempts to do what you claim here or if it obfuscate the issue with a distinct slant towards one political party ==================================== Quote from Shashikaran Vaze's original message ==================================== > > A Civil Code that will have same uniform irrespective of caste, creed > > and religion and that what BJP means Uniform Civil Code. So do not > > worry, it will be in the interest of everybody. ======== End quote ======== Thank you! Regards, Niel Hirjee -- Calport Technologies Phone: +91 33 475-5884 3 Dover Road, Fax: +91 33 476-3021 Calcutta 700 019 Email: [email protected] India http://www.indiax.com/cal
23rd Sep 1999
Prabuddha Roy @giascla.vsnl.net.in
UNIFORM CIVIL CODE...... what does it imply? That all Indians will get the same basic rights and no person would get suppressed or get any undue advantage on the basis of his religion or caste. he would be an INDIAN first, then a Muslim, or Hindu or Sikh, later. One of the persons who replied said about Sikhs carrying of weapons and the other of multiple wives of Muslims. I have had the chance to stay for a few years in the Muslim state of Libya, under the leadership of Gaddafi, when my father was transferred there for some time. Let me tell you people of one of the few instances that occurred over there. Walking on the road one day we heard a lot of clapping and saw a huge crowd. Even the cars that were passing by stopped and the drivers stopped and clapped. What was actually happening?? A person had been caught stealing and thus under the muslim law his hands would be now cut off. And furthermore anybody who crossed that procession had to stop and clap or be punished by the very strict police. Such is the strictness with which the holy Islam law is followed in Libya(Africa). More over, In Libya, one cannot divorce his wife by just saying "talak" thrice! He has to keep a huge amount of money with the government from which his divorced wife would be getting a regular income. This amount was so huge that even the very wealthy could not afford very many wives. As far as i know, according to the holy teachings of Islam a Muslim husband just cannot wash his hands from his prior wife but as i said earlier, - has to take care of her, which is enforced by the Libyan government. The scenario in India here is,--- whenever a Muslim is caught stealing here in India, then he demands to be judged by the Indian penal code. Can you think of a thiefs hand being cut off just because of his religion? but when the same Muslim has to divorce his wife, he then takes the teaching of the holy Islam and says "talak" thrice, and conveniently washes his hands of the matter. This is a violation of the rights of the woman. There is thus a stark difference of the method by which Islam is followed in both the countries. A few persons take advantage of their religion for their own gains and conveniently forget the teachings of the same religion when it does not suit him. Is this not hypocrisy? You must be knowing that in Pakistan the court has judged that if the disgruntled brother of the female or the husband kills her, it is NOT a crime as it would be a honor killing! what if that starts happening in India???? That is why i can say an uniform civil code is necessary in order to keep this multi-religion diverse wonderful country of ours united. It is the democratic right of any individual to practice his or her own religion, as long as it does not hinder the rights of any other religion. Only then would the different political parties stop treating people of different religions as just vote banks and work for the upliftment of all. Our friend Druv talks of the majority community not liking that the minorities getting undue advantages I am a student studying in Pune. My father had to take a huge loan and has to work hard to make both ends meet in order to sustain me in pune. A friend of mine, in Pune belongs to OBC. Just by virtue of that he has to pay negligible college fees. Roams around in a new bike and his father owns a new maruti. I walk to college. Isnt this unfair??? Government money is our money. Wouldnt this money have been better spent if the reservations were made in terms of economical strength of the father and not in terms of cast or religion??? He definitely does not need financial help but takes advantage of this reservation facility for OBCs. After 50 years of independence, is it not sad that we are not equal but are divided on the basis of caste and religion???? Reservations must be just for the economically backward people of this country, not for people of different caste or religion!!! i am putting these facts in front of you for a comparison for i have seen this happen in front of my eyes. You be the judge. I do not intend any disrespect for any religion. Please do not misunderstand me. Prabuddha
26th Sep 1999
Niel Hirjee @cal.indiax.com
Dear Prabuddha, > That is why i can say an uniform civil code is necessary in order > to keep this multi-religion diverse wonderful country of ours united. It You raise some very interesting and valid points. Fortunately or unfortunately, when our constitution and law was formulated around 1950, a uniform civil code was not enshrined therein. Students of history will be able to give you many reasons, important reasons why it was not possible to incorporate this at that time. Many learned political analysts will also tell you that it is not fair to change the constitution now and deny the advantages that were promised to certain cleavages in 1950. However, those who advocate uniform civil rights also have some very valid points - having different laws for different cleavages goes against the principles of democracy. Like I said before, this is a complex issue. > this unfair??? Government money is our money. Wouldnt this money have > been better spent if the reservations were made in terms of economical > strength of the father and not in terms of cast or religion??? He Um, then everyone would claim to be a pauper to get those advantages. Got any other suggestions? > reservation facility for OBCs. After 50 years of independence, is it > not 50 years is nothing - our situation will not change in another 50 or even 100 years unless one thing happens. We are made to follow the law of the land, failing which punishments should be swift and stern. As responsible citizens, we can help by reporting corruption at all levels. Put up the gory details on an anonymous web page, if need be. Thank you! Regards, Niel Hirjee -- Calport Technologies Phone: +91 33 475-5884 3 Dover Road, Fax: +91 33 476-3021 Calcutta 700 019 Email: [email protected] India http://www.indiax.com/cal
27th Sep 1999
Aditya, the Hindu Skeptic @bc.seflin.org
Niel Hirjee wrote: > Um, then everyone would claim to be a pauper to get those advantages. > Got any other suggestions? I have another idea. Reservations in schools should be limited to people whose parents or grand parents have never been schooled. This way reservation will help just one generation and then they should be able to stand on their own. -- Have a peaceful and joyous day. Aditya Mishra Primary e-mail: [email protected] Primary homepage: http://www.smart1.net/aditya ICQ # 1131674 Fax #: 209-315-8571 Random thought of the day: First Law of Procrastination: Procrastination shortens the job and places the responsibility for its termination on someone else (i.e., the authority who imposed the deadline).
28th Sep 1999
Niel Hirjee @cal.indiax.com
Aditya Mishra wrote after much contemplation > I have another idea. Reservations in schools should be limited to people > whose parents or grand parents have never been schooled. This way > reservation will help just one generation and then they should be able > to stand on their own. Yush, but why on earth would the politicians want that? This certainly will not get them either votes or visibility. Thank you! Regards, Niel Hirjee -- Calport Technologies Phone: +91 33 475-5884 3 Dover Road, Fax: +91 33 476-3021 Calcutta 700 019 Email: [email protected] India http://www.indiax.com/cal
29th Sep 1999
Aditya, the Hindu Skeptic @bc.seflin.org
The point is not what politicians want but what could be a fair solution to reservation system. -- Have a peaceful and joyous day. Aditya Mishra Primary e-mail: [email protected] Primary homepage: http://www.smart1.net/aditya ICQ # 1131674 Fax #: 209-315-8571 Random thought of the day: WONDERFUL! You have some of my favorite problems.
29th Sep 1999
Prabuddha Roy @giascla.vsnl.net.in
yeah, if the illeterate people start become literate, 80% of the politicians, say laloo, jaylalitha will be in trouble, and also greatly jyoti basu, these names are simply not worth writing in capital letters On Tue, 28 Sep 1999, Niel Hirjee wrote: > Aditya Mishra wrote after much contemplation > > > I have another idea. Reservations in schools should be limited to > > people whose parents or grand parents have never been schooled. This > > way reservation will help just one generation and then they should be > > able to stand on their own. > > Yush, but why on earth would the politicians want that? This certainly > will not get them either votes or visibility.
29th Sep 1999
Prabuddha Roy @giascla.vsnl.net.in
