Better ways of living
Dear Friends, May I invite an open discussion on better way of living especially in cities. Regards Mahesh
17 Sep 1998
Vani Murarka @manaskriti.com
Sure. You are most welcome. This is an very relevant issue. This is coming from someone in Chandigarh (right Mahesh?). In the metros it is so much more relevant where things are much worse. I don't know what are the issues that you have in mind - but environmental is an obvious thing that comes to mind - and though one could make a never ending list of things that are getting worse by the minute, its much more constructive if we take the positive approach of looking at what are the steps that can be taken towards "better ways of living" Looking forward to your inputs Mahesh. Would you like to take this further Swetha, Desh Deepak, Vinayak, Anjan - or anyone else? Regards Vani * Vani Murarka* Manaskriti Software Solutions * http://www.manaskriti.com * Ph: 4746625 / 4754838 * Calcutta, India * * Customised Software Development * Website Development * Mailing List Services
17 Sep 1998
Krishnan J iyer @bcmfax.net
>> better ways of living << More relevant, as we go on doing things that are urgent these days than things that are important. Better ways of living, imho, starts with better ways of thinking. Because, mind gets what it sees, like the current generation softwares. Mr. Naidu, CEO of Andhra has been one such inspiration who think different pictures in his mind. Luckily he was able to convey that to his administration and see where they are heading. Seeing the result you want in your mind, doesn't necessarily mean that you just dream and do nothing about it. It's a rehearsal like those Olympic 100 meter runners do, practising how they are going to run the final race. Just a thought Best regards Krish
19 Sep 1998
Harsh Javeri @iname.com
>> May I invite an open discussion on better way of living especially >> in cities. >> Mahesh Hi Mahesh and others, I am from Mumbai and have this friend who stays in Ghatkopar, a suburb. She has undertaken Advance Locality Management (ALM) and has been quite successful at it. She had written a small `intro' on ALM which I am posting below. Is this the kind of thing you are looking for? If anyone is interested to now more about this, please feel free to write. Harsh ======= Advance Locality Management (ALM) means self governance, where you (the residents of that street) are responsible for the cleanliness and beautification of your street and its maintenance. the BMC infrastructure is at your disposal for it. in our ward all ALM streets have top priority with BMC for any repair & maintenance work. this is a pilot project of BMC and from 15 participants we have today some 7000 participants (about 22 streets) in this project. This is how it works. each street appoints its own committee, which collects Re. 1/- per flat per day. this money (averages about Rs. 3000/- a month) is used to appoint a sweeper for that street (at Rs. 1500 a month) who sweeps the street twice a day (besides the BMC sweeper sweeping once), collects garbage, which is separated for various recycling purposes, and waters plants/flower beds put up in the street for beautification. Each bldg is provided with separate dustbins for wet & dry garbage. The rest of the money is used for general maintenance & beautification work as & when needed. A BMC officer is appointed to visit each of the ALM street on a set day of the week to note down complaints/queries in a register and resolve them within a fortnight. Of course the system doesn't work as efficiently as it looks on paper, but we have got a lot of work done by this concept of mutuality, like dustbins at every few metres, repair and desilting of gutters, new street lights, evicting hawkers, etc. All you need to do is take initiative. if you don't have enough dustbins on your street or for any other such matter, have you ever complained or visited your ward office personally and requested? there is such a massive communication gap between govt. employees & citizens. Most of us have set images & prejudices against govt. people. but if we leave behind our condescending manner & approach them as normal humans, we might be surprised. the problem is no one wants to bother. if we unite & demand better services we can get it, provided we do our bit as responsible citizens. p.s. there is an article on ALM in Times of India (14th august) in the Bombay times section pg 6. `����,��,����`��������`����,��,����`��������` Childhood is short and maturity is forever. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Harsh Javeri Mumbai, India
19 Sep 1998
Remington Book Production @ch1.vsnl.net.in
Hi Every body - With better way of living, I see a wide perspective to it. What I mean is that we find ourselves feeling tyrannical with issues such as environment, houses, roads. You talk of noise pollution, air pollution or any other. Then, other ingredients you live with is adulteration in food/medicines, corruption in offices and everybody knows about it. Sometime back, everybody might have heard of urea milk in the market. You feel horrified about these things, especially when you evaluate all the things you are eating/living in. You don't feel comfortable about the way you are living. You feel that everything is consuming your body. I think everybody dreams of living in a calm area with fresh air, fresh water and all the luxries in life with nutritious food, in a way living close to the nature. But, in cities where is the nature!!! What is the better way of living . Do we go for yoga/reiki/ desi ghee (to make body strong from inside, putting fats in our body) or behave like mosquitoes who evolve stronger and stronger with every brand of BaygonSpray with label (new, powerful mosquito killer / repellant..) We are too much engrossed with catching up small things in life to let it go smoothly, and not doing any thing about it except thinking. But, then I think that it is one of the best platform to put across the issues and let everybody contribute to it. Over to (all of) YOU!! Mahesh
24 Sep 1998
Harsh Javeri @iname.com
Vani, The best part is that it is not too much of a bother. My friend found that after the initial persuasion, the Govt. people were also willing to help out. Like it is said that charity begins at home, this drive has to start from there too. If we all start to follow some basic steps of cleanliness then it will surely help. Things like Do you throw anything on the street while walking, from a car? Do you throw things out of your car window? house? train? Do you spit on the roads? Do you throw the popcorn and other empty packets down while in a theatre? I will site two examples of how these small bits help. A group of us friends were going on a vacation - 19 of us with an age group from 5 to 48! We were travelling in a II Tier AC to MP, an overnight journey. We had carried a big plastic garbage bag and ALL the refuse was collected in it. All the members of our group - including the kids - were made to follow this simple rule. It was then amusing and rewarding to see the other passengers also keeping their garbage/ refuse in one place instead of throwing it on the floor! The second incident took place near our corner pan wallah. It was around 10 pm and a fancy car pulled up and they ordered paan which was given to them in the car. The fancy lady put it in her mouth and threw the paper on to the street from her car window. This fell right next to my leg. I bent and picked it up and threw it in the trash can kept by the pan wallah. Want to take a guess what was the reaction of the lady? :-) First disbelief, then a shock that she was being shown-up! and then a sign of embarrassment! The best thing happened next. Her hubby was about to throw the paan paper from his window and she stopped him and asked him to get out and throw it in the trash can.... Harsh At 05:46 AM 22/09/98 +0000, you wrote: > Hi Mahesh and others, > > I am from Mumbai and have this friend who stays in Ghatkopar, a suburb. > She has undertaken Advance Locality Management (ALM) and has been quite > successful at it. She had written a small `intro' on ALM which I am > >Its great to read about such concrete steps being taken.
25 Sep 1998
S.Viswanathan @wanadoo.fr
I remember my first visit to Geneva. The place was so clean I was afraid to throw down a cigarette stub. I kept it till I could find a dust bin - which unlike in India, can be found every few metres! Vishwa S.Viswanathan Technical Translator - Traducteur Technique 5, Rue Frederic Chopin 78100 ST GERMAIN EN LAYE France Tel: 00 33 1 30 61 17 87 Fax: 00 33 1 39 73 47 97 E-mail: [email protected] / [email protected] ICQ# 10231135
25 Sep 1998
Manish Shah @bom3.vsnl.net.in
Dear Friends and harshbhai, I appreciate your effort to bring a wave of manners. I just visited London last week during my tour of Europe and what found was amazing. All the people travelling with me from different part of India to Europe tour for 21 days was changed totally from the day first. When we started from airport in Mumbai, we all were served with drinks like frooti and apple drink. After finishing the drink most of the passenger from us throw the empty boxed and cans on the road out side the airport. This was the first and last incident I saw during my tour because as soon as we reached London, all were suddenly changed and stopped throwing garbage on the road. The resone behind this is that they had a fear of getting penalties and caught by police. Actually the police in London is not so strict, but fear of them make my fellow passenger to behave like a humanbeen. We also should presser our government authority to appoint young peoples on honorary basis to keep watch on the places like Theatre, Bus stop, MUNICIPAL OFFICES, railway platform, etc. They should implement a scheme like the person caught any one splitting on the road and bring him to department, get half of the penalty received as a reward. The department should make the guilty person to work as a cleaner on the street for an hour and refund him half from that half penalty amount. I am sure that rather than splitting on the road, peoples will search for splitters Manish Shah
27 Sep 1998
Harsh Javeri @iname.com
Manish Thanks for your mail. There is no doubt that fines and laws will make people keep the city clean but I think the situation is much better when it is done consciously. Here's something to ponder. There are many ashrams around India. I am not talking of the regular ashrams but places like Pondichery & Vipasna (near Igatpuri). There are almost no laws there but how come they are clean? Why do people not throw things around - the very same people who do it out of the ashram? And do understand these are not religious ashrams so there are no religious laws in effect too! There is this ashram of Shri Ram Chandra Mission at Chennai. I have attended a three days function in May with over 10000 people attending. Breakfast and lunch were served and temporary toilet facilities were put up too. BUT you could not find papers or any such garbage on the huge premises. The dinning areas were clean enough to sit on the floor! There was total discipline without volunteers to enforce it. Now which law made them keep the place clean???? Harsh
28 Sep 1998
Manish Shah @bom3.vsnl.net.in
Dear Harsh, Thank you for your information as it help me a lot. What I think is, ashram is a place where a strong believers of a principals of certain nooms of life go and refresh their attitude towards the life. This is a place where the people give their money, work and time on honorary basis and take the ashrams as a holy place. because it is framed as a holy place, the people think twice before doing anything stupid. This thinking of people stops them to make the place darty. As relates to other places, they do not consider at is restricted or holy place, so they behave like animals. Please let me know, you ever saw people fighting in temples? but they do on road. you ever saw any one singing movie song and vesaling seen a girl in temple? but it happens on the road. Sorry harsh if I had hart your feelings, but I think once peoples get punished, they always remember it before doing anything foolish. I also do not believe in becoming cruel, but it is all for our mutual and country benefit and we all should fight for it as we the young peoples can make a better future for generation to come. Cheers, Manish